Albert Taylor

African American man, Albert Taylor, seated in a library wearing "Korea Veteran cap"

Jeffrey Shenton (JS): Okay my name is Jeff Shenton and I am the instructor for Anthropology 389 Lived Histories at Centre College. I’ll be responsible for recording this interview. This is an interview of Mr. Albert Taylor. The date today is January 26th, 2021. The interview is being conducted by telephone and being recorded over a zoom call. The interview is scheduled to last approximately one hour. The interview will consist of an oral history that covers Mr. Taylor’s life and career focusing on experiences in Danville and Boyle County and especially on the urban renewal period in Danville and its effects on the local community. And now I would like each of the interviewers to introduce themselves. Could you please give your name, your age, your year at Centre, and where you are from?

Matthew Seran (MS): My name is Matthew Seran. I’m a freshman at Centre College. I’m originally from, I’m from Louisville, Kentucky. Yeah, I’m from Louisville, Kentucky.

Seth Thomas (ST): I’m Seth Thomas and I’m twenty years old. This is my first year at Centre and I’m from Western Kentucky. Mayfield, Kentucky.

Mason Rye (MR): I’m Mason Rye. I’m eighteen. I’m a freshman at Centre College and I am from Western Kentucky. Hopkinsville, Kentucky.

Jason Wong (JW): Hi I’m Jason. I’m eighteen years old. First year at Centre College and I’m from New York City.

JS: And finally I would like Mr. Taylor to introduce himself. Could you please give your full name and your age and where you currently reside please?

Albert Taylor (AT): Uh-huh! I’m Albert Taylor. I’m 92 years old. And I've been living in Danville since 1953. And I currently live on Carrigan Drive in Danville, Kentucky. I’m married to my wife Loretta Taylor.

JS: Thanks so much. Now we’ll go ahead and get started with the interview. Thank you.

MR: Hey there Mr. Taylor. It’s Mason Rye speaking. I kind of, um, wanted to know if you could tell us a little bit about yourself.

AT: Okay! Okay I am originally from Harrodsburg, I was born in Harrodsburg in 1928. I went to school at West Side High School and graduated there in Harrodsburg. I also went to Paducah, to Western Kentucky and I finished there in 19 and 48. Then after that I went into service. I was in the Korean War and I served from 1950 to 1957. In service I was on the front lines for fourteen months. And then I came home and I was discharged and I went to work with glassworks. I spent thirty five years and now retired from glassworks. And now I reside in Danville, Kentucky.

MR: Thank you very much for your service!

AT: Mmhmm!

MR: Could you tell us a little bit about your family, your family life?

AT: My family life. My mother was named Jenetta Taylor. She was a school teacher at West Side High School in Harrodsburg. My father was a barber on the barbershop. He owned two in Harrodsburg, Kentucky. And I had one sister, Minnie Bell Taylor. Which went to Kentucky State University.

MS: I was wondering what was it like growing up in Harrodsburg and especially what was it like in the barbershop at Harrodsburg? I understand that barber shops tend to be like, tend to be like a safe haven and tend to have a real sense of community inside there and I was just wondering what it was like growing up in that environment in Harrodsburg particularly in the barber shop?

AT: Yeah. I grew up in Harrodsburg on Broadway and it was kind of a rough area at times. And like I said, my father he had a barbershop, he had two barber shops. At that time they had one for whites and they had one for Blacks. And I shined shoes in his barbershops for several, for several years and growing up in Harrodsburg I really loved that. It was a really nice place to be from and to grow up in.

ST: What did you spend most of your time doing as a child and growing up?

AT: As a child? Well at that time we didn’t have parks to go to. We had to play on the street and had little places where we could play ball or something. At times we’d ride bicycles and scooters or something like that is what we did then back then because no parks or anything to go to. Only had, they had one park there that they could play ball on. But there was only certain days you could do that.

MS: These certain days, were they rules set by the park for everyone or was it dictated by the color of your skin?

AT: It was dictated by the color of your skin. They had days when the Blacks could play on it and when whites could play on it. Each church had a ball team and they had certain days when the Black churches could have their ball games.

MS: You mentioned that your father owned two barbershops. One being , if I, according to my understanding one being Blacks only and one being whites only. Was your, was your father Black and if so were Black people allowed to own white only businesses at the time?

AT: Yeah my father was Black and only Blacks could go in the Black barbershops and get a haircut or shave or whatever and the whites could only go in their shop to get their hair cut or shave or whatever.

JW: Was there ever a problem in these barbershops?

AT: Not that I know of. I never experienced anything there that happened you know in the barbershops. Everybody got along. They got along good in the Black barbershops, they got along good in the white barbershops.

MS: You said that you were shining shoes in your father’s barbershops. Was there a difference in the way you were treated by the white men versus the Black men inside the barbershop?

AT: No! We got along good.

MR: I was wondering how was the church community in Harrodsburg? Was it very close and small or was it a very large gathering usually?

AT: The Black churches had a large congregation back then, not like it is now because most Black people went to church back then in those days. Back in the 20’s, 30’s, 40’s, and 50’s.

MS: So was it the type of church where like everyone knew everyone and it was a real strong community at the time?

AT: Right! Everyone in the community knew each other and that was in Harrodsburg. There was three Black churches. There was two Baptist churches and a Methodist church and they all got along together, they all worked together. Each church. At one time I didn’t know whether I was a Methodist or a Baptist, the way we went to church.

MS: I have a question. Do you still feel that sense of community in the church you go to today or has that changed over time and if so could you think of when that started to change?

AT: Well it hasn’t changed much. We don’t have the congregation now, that we had back then because back then you had no other place to go but the church and maybe a restaurant and a salon, but most people went to church most of the time.

MS: So from my understanding, you’re saying that as a Black person in the Black community, you guys didn’t have many places where you were allowed. So like the areas you were allowed you all tended to congregate there more often than not?

AT: Right! Right!

MS: You mentioned that there was a salon, the church, like a restaurant or two. Was that the extent of?

AT: Yes we had a restaurant that we could go to and we went to the movies. But the movies was segregated. You know the Blacks had to go upstairs and the whites were downstairs, but we went to the same movie house where we were segregated.

ST: What was your opinion on segregation when you were young? Like was it just something that seemed normal or do you feel like it was wrong the entire time?

AT: Well back then we didn’t pay too much attention to it because we knew we were only allowed to go to certain places. So we didn’t pay too much attention to it. We knew that if we went to some places, we would go in and they would ask us to leave or we would go to the back of the line or in the back door.

ST: Looking back on it now, do you still feel that way or do you think that you’ve kind of realized that you wish that we could of all been together like we are now?

AT: Well I just feel like we should do like we do now. Back there then I really didn’t have a whole lot of problems because where I grew up, a lot of white people were good people and we all worked together. But we knew that we were segregated.

MR: You say that you all worked together. In what ways did you all, like the two communities combine and work together?

AT: There was a lot of times, like I told you at the park that we had. Well we went to the park and the whites and Blacks began playing together. We had no problem with that. You know?

ST: What about school? Were schools segregated, or did you all go to the same school?

AT: The school was segregated. They had in Harrodsburg the Black school named West Side High School and they had the white one, which was Harrodsburg High School.

ST: Were the schools any different or were they like basically the same?

AT: They were basically the same, only we were segregated.

MS: Did you go to school in the integration age? When the people started to mix the white and Black students together?

AT: No! I graduated, when I graduated it was still segregated.

MS: Did you see the children of the community during that period of integration? How do you think they took the change? Were they happy about it, were they upset by it? What do you think they felt at the time?

AT: Well they didn’t pay too much attention to it. So, some of them had some problems when they did segregate [Integrate] but they finally got over it just about how it is today.

ST: Once you graduated school what was, what did you do?

AT: When I graduated from high school I went to Paducah, to western Kentucky and I took up a trade there which was cupboard and cabinet making and I graduated there and came home and worked in construction until I was drafted to go in service.

JW: Did you see segregation while you were in service during the Korean war?

AT: Well, when I went into service it was segregated and I didn’t really know what was going on. I left Lexington from the examining place and went to Fort Knox and we were held up in the barrack of Fort Knox for about a month and we didn’t- to go down to basic training and we couldn’t understand why we was held up and not going down for basic. We found out later they was waiting to finish the last batch of training with Blacks all together and whites all together so they could integrate. That’s when they integrated the service when they finished up those basic training then they carried us down for basic training. And then they put us all together white and Black together. We trained together

MR: Was there any resistance from either side because of that integration and if so what was it like?

AT: Well we got along well. We didn’t know the difference we because we had to work together because we knew that we was gonna have to fight together and of course back then they had world war II and part of the Korean war there were certain divisions which were all white and all Black until integration came along.

JW: I know that in the military it is all about helping each other and having this strong bond between one another. Have you seen that now especially in Danville, Kentucky present?

AT: A little bit. I have a strong bond with one fella in service that I met in Korea. On the frontlines and he was actually from New York and we became real close.

MS: As a soldier as someone that served in the military How did you feel when you came back from the war, like how were you treated, how did the community treat you when you came back from the war.

AT: They treated just about like they did before I went into service. I wasn’t welcomed back home, I was just welcomed back home about 6 years ago. They didn’t pay much attention to this, to what’s another soldier back home and they never said anything to us about ‘thank you for your service, thank you for your service’ anything, no one ever said anything. I just really in the last five or six years people have begun to tell us that they appreciate our service for what we did.

MS: During your basic training camp you mentioned that the last group of people were the last, that the group before you was the last one to be segregated and you guys were the first to be in that integrated training regime. What was it like to be almost like the guinea pig, what was it like to be the first people to go through that integration program, was it as fluid as you expected it to be, or was there obvious mistakes and it was choppy due to the fact that you guys were the first people to go through essentially?

AT: Well to tell you the truth everything was done so fast and quick we didn’t pay no tention’. Black or white didn’t pay any attention. We just all went together just like when we had been together all along

MR: When you moved back, when you got back from-after serving besides working what else did you typically spend your time doing?

AT: What? Well mostly I just worked most of the time or maybe had a little side job that I did somewhere else to help somebody out to do something and went to church and I went to ball games.

ST: Did you have the same job before you were in service that you did after or did anything change?

AT: It changed because before I went into service I was working strictly with construction work. Before I went into service then when I came back and went to work for Corning Glass Works, I went into the mixing department and I worked in the mixing department for 11 years and then I went to maintenance and then I finished my time out in maintenance with Corning Glass. Which was a good job and when I went to work at Corning it was, uh, Blacks, whites they worked together but they had a certain place for Blacks to work and that went on for five years. Mixing department and custodians was the place that Blacks, oh and the cafeteria but then they integrated about four years after I was there and you could work anywhere.

MS: So, you mentioned how in Harrodsburg that you never really had a problem with things such as race and everyone got along and that wasn’t a big deal in Harrodsburg. Did you see that trend continue into Boyle County and Danville where people essentially weren’t as racist as other areas?

AT: Danville and Harrodsburg were just about alike, there wasn’t much difference. MS: Could you also repeat again when you moved to Danville?

AT: Huh?

MS: When did you move to Boyle County?

AT: I moved to Danville in, I think it was about 1953. But I had been in and out of Danville ever since I was a little boy. Because I had people who lived in Danville and we would come and visit them and my daddy drove a laundry truck that was for Danville laundry here in Danville. He would drive that truck from Harrodsburg to Danville for laundry to be done here in Danville and then carried back to Harrodsburg. So I was in Danville quite a bit.

ST: How has Danville or Boyle County changed over the course of your life?

AT: It hasn’t changed much.

ST: Did the urban renewal not change anything about Danville, physical changes or anything like that?

AT: Urban renewal changed a whole like, I’ll say this it actually, it wasn’t, urban renewal was supposed to help people but urban renewal didn’t help the Black community and I always said and maybe some other friends of mine said the same thing. Urban renewal was Black removal because they went in the Black neighborhoods and did all the work or whatever they did and took they properties away from them. That’s what happened to Second Street.

ST: What were the businesses on Second Street and what were they and what was removed and what was it replaced with?

AT: It was replaced with Constitution Square and it did away with all the businesses and they took all that away from the Black community and replaced it with what they called Constitution Square, which is now Constitution Square.

ST: Where did the businesses go? Did they have a spot in Danville or did they have to go-

AT: No! They didn’t have nowhere to go. They took all of their property.

ST: So, did they go anywhere or did they just stay in Danville and not have their business anymore?

AT: They didn’t have no business.

MR: You said that urban renewal was meant to help people and we now know that it did not do that well for the African American community. Can you kind of tell us some of the things that your community was being told and what you originally thought it was going to be like to what it ended up being?

AT: Well urban renewal was actually was to help people be with they homes and things. If they needed work to be done on they home urban renewal was meant to help them to do remodeling on they homes, not take they homes away from them. Which urban renewal did not do that, they just took their homes and tore it down and maybe sold their property to white people which did other things with that property. Urban renewal did not help Danville at all.

MS: You mentioned early that you had friends that said that urban renewal was basically Black removal which we understand now today. But-

AT: Say what now?

MS: You said that urban renewal was called Black removal amongst you and your friends. Correct? AT: Right. It wasn’t urban renewal it was Black removal because it moved Black people out.

MS: What did the white communities of Danville and Boyle County think about this urban removal were they in support of it or were they like, oh this is wrong as well?

AT: Well they were in supportive because they benefited from it because they ended up with the Black people’s properties, Centre College

MS: And we learned in our class that Centre had to do with urban renewal as well but Centre has always been a big part of the Danville community. So how did the Black community of danville begin to look as Centre College during this urban renewal era and has that changed or has it remained since then?

AT: I couldn’t tell you too much about that.

JW: I’m sure that during this urban renewal process, there was like full of outrage especially from Black removal from their homes, businesses. Did the Black community in some way come together to try and band and rebel against such things that were gonna happen.

AT: No because we didn’t know what was going on. They had their meetings behind closed doors we wasn't involved in it until they came to take our property.

MR- After you all eventually figured out what was going on, were there any attempts to stop it and spread awareness to others and get it to slow down and eventually end?

AT- I just want to tell you this way, they worked for the people in the Black community that would call on that they talked about and really sold their own Black people out. Because they didn’t stand up for what was right. Some of them benefited from it by going along with the Urban Renewal. Then others didn’t have anything. 

JW- I think that is really painful, especially here with your own people selling you out, but how did the community, did they know who these people were, and what did they do to address that?

AT- What they found out was one person that was in charge and he went around and told the Black people what he was going to do and nobody could do anything about it, but there was some that stood up, and I was one of them that stood up and didn’t let him take my home from me.

MS- I was asking like how did you rebel and exactly what did you do to let them know that like “I’m not leaving”?

AT- I didn’t let them come on my property and told them they better not come on my property because it was mine and I stood up and there was people that did go on their property and they told them what he was going to do and took it away from them, but I didn’t let him take mine.

MR- You had said that the people that the Black people would work with the white people during this Urban Renewal and would be rewarded, in what ways were they rewarded and almost was it worth it to get this reward from the white community to sell out your own community and kind of lose respect from everybody?

AT- I mean the white community would awarded the Black people’s property. Could you ask that question again? Can you repeat that question?

MR- Yes, so I was kind of asking those who kind of sold out their community in what ways were they being rewarded and was that reward worth losing the respect from everyone of their own community?

AT- They were rewarded financially. You know, there was a such of thing as brokers, known as brokers, where you pay 25,000 dollars to buy this property whatever you can get out of it, if you can get it sold for 20,000 dollars then you can put the 5,000 dollars in your pocket.

ST- So is that the only way the African Americans benefited from the Urban Renewal or were there other ways also?

AT- Some of them got, well, you see, they got to keep some of the property, they were given a head start on some property that was being taken away, especially the houses and stuff. You know probably nobody benefited from second street removal.

MS- We hear about Second Street, how did they completely essentially ruin Second Street? How detrimental was that to the Black community in Danville at the time in your opinion? How bad did that effect everyone?

AT- Second Street was the place where Black people could go and they had the restaurants and they had the barber shop and they had the lodge, so that’s where the Black people went for their amusement.

MS- What did you, what was the Black community forced to do for amusement after second street had been demolished?

AT- Well in fact you had nowhere to go. It was all torn down and took away. We had nowhere to go but to church. We could go to church, but all of that recreation was gone. What you have to understand is that a generation that lived in second street didn’t have nowhere to go, and then they began to build other little places for Blacks, but by that time, their generation didn’t have anywhere to go, so they pretty much went home and to church.

MS- We also heard that a lot of people in the community from second street had been removed and lost jobs and such that a lot of them moved out of the city.

AT- Do what?

MS- A lot of them moved out of the city. Did you have any friends that personally left because of the removal of second street? 

AT- I really can’t think of any, but a lot of people did leave town. MS- And where did a lot of these people that left go?

AT- All over, north, some went south.

ST- Were things still segregated during the Urban Renewal?

AT- Yes.

ST- So when you said that African Americans community lost their entertainment and stuff, I’m assuming the white community did not? Like they still kept their entertainment?

AT- Yes, they were white.

ST- Did that make the Black community more resentful of the white people? Or was that kind of like “ whatever”?

AT- The urban renewal was just Black removal. It removed the Black people. The question was asked when it was done, why weren’t they in the white neighborhood? But they said it wasn’t for that. It was only for Black. It was only in the Black neighborhood.

MR- After this period or the start of the Urban Renewal, when second street got destroyed, and all of the entertainment was gone, in what ways did you all try and rebuild and regrow the community and the culture of this area?

AT- We didn’t have nothin’ to rebuild on. It was all taken away.

JW- You mentioned before how some people moved to the north and south. I was wondering why because the north was known for being better for Blacks. May I ask why some people moved to the south?

AT- I couldn’t tell you that. I couldn’t say why any of them moved and why they went different places and the places that they went. I couldn’t tell you. I think one of the reasons that they did go north and south were bigger cities because even in the bigger cities there was more opportunity job wise. The bigger the population of Black people, that was whenever everything was shut down on second street a lot of the job opportunities became domestic. Most of them moved out to cities and town that had bigger populations, bigger Black populations where it wasn’t segregated in ways as big as it was here in Danville.

JW- It’s interesting, usually especially in cities we learn that there are always larger opportunities, but when i heard the first thing about heading south, i imagined it would be the last place to go because the south especially from what i have learned has been more hard on segregation and gave less chances for the Black community.

AT- Places like Atlanta, Georgia, places that had bigger populations, even Washington DC, places like that. Not places like Little Rock, Arkansas, not places like that.

MS- This is a bit unrelated but I understand Little Rock Six, I believe, how did that news when it reached Danville and how was it received by the Black community? I’m curious as to what it felt like to live through these historic civil rights movements. Like moments, like that like change history.

AT- I don’t know. I don’t know what you mean. I don’t understand what you were trying to say.

MS- What was it like living through these historic civil rights movements? Like what was it like living through history essentially like..

AT- What it was like living through the civil rights movements?

MS- mhm

AT- Oh, it was.. To me it was alright, at first I didn’t understand what was going on. I had to learn, you know, actually, what was going on in order to receive it, but that was one of the best things that ever happened. Because we all knew God put us on this Earth to be together.

MR- Can you give us some examples of big changes and big moments that you experienced going through the civil rights movements?

AT- Big changes, the big changes was we were all able to go into restaurants and sit down and eat, ride the train, didn’t have to get in a certain place on the train, to ride the train or ride in the back of the bus. We had to ride in the back of the bus because it was segregated.

MR- And was this an easy transition for everybody or was there difficulty from both sides going into this integration?

AT- I guess some accepted it and some didn’t. And some still don’t accept it, Black and white.

ST- How quickly were those changes? Or how quickly did the changes come to Danville compared to other places?

AT- Well it came kind of slow. Not fast, not overnight, or anything like that. It took time and when it first started, we had an organization here named “Concerned Citizens” and that group got together and we separated ourselves. Some went to the movies downstairs where whites sat and some went to restaurants, integrated at the restaurants. That was a group we had in Danville that did that.

ST: What stage, like how old were you when changes started to be made?

AT: Haha, how old was it?

Michael Hughes (MH): Of When?

AT: How old was I when changes started? I guess I was in my 30s.

MH: 1907, you were born when?

AT: [19]28

MH: Around 42 [Years Old]

AT: How about 42… yeah

MS: You wish that you have experienced like these changes earlier in your lifetime? Like do you think that these changes could have come sooner?

MH: Can’t hear you

MS: I said do you believe these changes could have come sooner? That, like as a country, the temperament was moving towards different race.

AT: What did he say?

MH: Just one more time. Just repeat it one more time, I’ll repeat it to him.

MS: Do you think that these should have, they could have come sooner?

MH: Ah okay, okay (Repeats question to Albert Taylor)

AT: I don’t it made it any different if it came any sooner, been the same thing.

JW: We haven’t mentioned much about Centre [College], it has been there for a long time, and from what we’ve learned… my connection, my connection I am so sorry. Can you hear me? Do you think Centre College should do anything to address the history of Urban Renewal and the displacement of the Black Community during this time?

AT: No, No.

MH: Are you saying they could or should? JW: I think both would be viable, they could

MH: I think what you’re saying could they now, basically I guess what he’s [Albert] saying is that they [Centre College] make more opportunities to Black available, I think Mr. Taylor would agree with that.

AT: Mmhmm.

MH: That, they could make the opportunities for Blacks more available and more transparency and teach, educate students about how they got where they are, and how, you know, some of the Urban Renewal that was done in the name of some college not upfront, but that’s what happened.

JW: Thank you

MH: I think he [Albert Taylor] would be with me-

AT: Mmhmm

MS: Do you feel as though Urban Renewal would ever happen again in today’s state of the world and everything, do you think it could ever happen again or do you think that there is no way it would be possible?

AT: I hope it doesn’t happen again to work like what it did before, if the Urban Renewal was going to happen again it should happen to help the people, not take things away from them.

MS: Mr. I have one question, what moment or one instance did you guys realize the urban renewal was not what you thought it was.

AT: When, when it started, I mean, I knew what was happening the day that I was approached, I knew what was going on, from the way they were talking and what they were trying to do.

JW: Do you think there are ways to build back this community that was once there in the past in Danville? AT: Do what now?

JW: Do you think there’s a possibility to, or what ways could be done to build back this community that the Black community had? AT: That we had?

JW: Yep.

AT: I see no way now, I see no way now.

MS: Is the loss of Black community, do you think there’s a loss of community in general in Danville, that people aren’t as close as they used to be?

AT: The Black community lost everything that they had.

MS: What do you think was lost socially though, like, in interactions between people, did that change after Urban renewal? Or did that remain consistent?

MH: I think after the Urban Renewal, and Black folks realized had they became closer

AT: Mmhhmm

MH: Churches became closer.

AT: Closer, yeah.

MS: So like, during this time of essentially tragedy, as a community you guys went through the pain together and became even closer due to the fact that you were going through the same thing.

MH: Yes.

MS: Wow, I didn’t know that, very powerful

AT: Yeah

JW: From your service, serving in the Korean war were there something from the military that you know, aspects of it that you could take that you could apply to as a life of a citizen?

AT: Well, from that experience being in service entering the Korean war, it made me strong, it made me stand up for what was right, and not let no one run over me… I stand that way today.

JW: I think that’s awesome, to be able to have that applied, do you think that this should be something that is essential for everyone to learn in the community? And do you see that happening where everyone stands up for knowing themselves and each other.

AT: I think that it’s something for everyone to learn and everyone to stand up for what’s right. A lot of people, a lot of them, didn't stand up. You have to stand up for what’s right… and take care of yourself.

JS: Alright, we are at close to an hour now, Mr. Taylor I’m just wondering if there’s anything that you think you would like to talk about that you haven’t had the chance to talk about yet, or anything about your life or your experience in Danville or anywhere else that you think you would like to talk about or get on the record?

AT: No, I’m just enjoying my life living here in Danville and Harrodsburg, Harrodsburg is my home, and I went back to my church in Harrodsburg about two years ago, and I’m just trying to live a decent life, and worship God, and stand in his hands to take him because I’m 92 years old, and time is not long, and I know that God is going to take care of me.

JS: Thank you for that, does any of the interviewers have any follow up questions, or any final thoughts or questions for Mr. Taylor?

MR: I have a few clarification questions from earlier, could you please just resay your parents name for us, your sisters name, and your birthday?

AT: My parents name, my mother’s name was Jenneta Hawkins Taylor, my father’s name was Fred Taylor, my sister’s name was Minnie Bell Taylor

JW: And when was your birthday?

AT: My birthday was 1928, April the 14th.

JW: So you’ll be 93 right? This coming..

AT: Right, this coming April, if God’s willing I’ll be 93 years old

JW: I’m sure you’ll reach it. Thank you so much, I hope that someday we could see you in person and talk, especially when this pandemic is over

AT: That’s right

JW: It’d be great to be able to meet in person and talk.

AT: I’d like to talk to you in person myself, when this is over with.

JW: Thank you.

JS: Alright Mr. Taylor, we can let you go now, thank you so much for your time, and your insight, and your stories, they mean a lot to us and they'll certainly be helpful for the future so thank you so much for your time today.

AT: Alright thank you. Mmhmm

JS: Thank you, we’ll talk to you later.

MS: Yes, thank you so much.

AT: Bye- Bye.